Toronto Marathon: Which Canadian do you have?

  • dope runna
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    therunna
    my boyyy reid! thats an obvious one
    hes got great training partners and all the Canadians look extremely good for Toronto!
    cant wait...someone remind me..how many days?!
  • Steve Boyd
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    oldster
    @peteq2 Agreed. Rich and I were saying (to each other) back in January that these things rarely live up to their billing. Back then I predicted that at least one guy would not make it to the starting line (already happened), two would crap out and likely not finish (saving for another crack in the winter or spring), and two would meet or exceed expectations. (I don't want to jinx anyone, but you can guess who I think will produce one of the successful performances!).
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    eighthundred
    cynical view there oldster. I give Reid a 75% chance of breaking drayton's record for a couple reasons.

    1. he has managed to stay injury free, close to this time last year he was in the pool due to is shin flaring up.

    2. he has put in 15 km a week more than he did last year.

    I also see Eric running under the standard as he has been right there with Reid in the half marathon in (virginia?) and the 10k at the zoo. As for Simon, if he learns how to run a conservative race the standard should not be a problem.
  • Steve Boyd
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    eighthundred
    cynical view there oldster. I give Reid a 75% chance of breaking drayton's record for a couple reasons.

    1. he has managed to stay injury free, close to this time last year he was in the pool due to is shin flaring up.

    2. he has put in 15 km a week more than he did last year.

    I also see Eric running under the standard as he has been right there with Reid in the half marathon in (virginia?) and the 10k at the zoo. As for Simon, if he learns how to run a conservative race the standard should not be a problem.


    @eighthundred Maybe so, but Dylan quoted Rich on the livefeed today as saying basically the same thing: "Don't believe the hype" is what he (Rich) has always said about this thing, and I'm inclined to agree. Running, and marathoning in particular, is a heartless bastard, after all.

    As much as I love Reid as an athlete, I wouldn't give anyone a 75% chance of running well in a marathon, let alone knocking 90 secs off of an already solid P.B. Judging by how even well prepared fields of marathoners typically do, I'd say 50-60% is about as good as it gets. And unlike some of the guys up front, these guys won't have the luxury of just sitting in a pack and going for the win if they decide they're not feeling it on the day; all of them will be attempting to run faster than they ever have before, and by decent margins. There will likely be incredible glory, but their will be awful carnage too, no doubt.
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    eighthundred
    @oldster

    Fair enough, there is 26.2 miles to make mistakes. If that is what Dylan is expecting to happen does that mean he will race conservatively to try to make standard and let Reid and Eric go?

    Another thing I was wondering about is if Wesley Korir is eligible for London Olympics, since he is married to a Canadian or does he have to wait 6 years? not too sure how citizenship works
  • E.R. Labelle
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    ERL_19
    @eighthundred

    about Korir, it depends on how long he's been married to her for IF you can compete despite being married to a citizen of that nation. Regardless, I recall Saif Saed Shaheen (aka Stephen Cherono) had to sit out of the 2004 olympics despite competing for Quatar in 2003 worlds just after he got his citizenship as there is a three year rule or something like that for transfer of nations. I think after this the IAAF followed up and banned Bernard Lagat from competing in 2005 worlds as a result as he had moved to the USA already.

    my picks: Reed or Wykes
    Reeds been running solid and is doing better than what he was doing at this time last year
    Wykes is known to work hard and has posted similar times to Gillis over the last 12 months.

    Bairu dropping out doesn't supprise me as Jerry's crew is known for not racing enough, but he has given us the answer to why Solinsky, Teg and (Wheating?) all had a down year. Unlike the other two though (who's goal was worlds), he has the luxury to recover and use that base he developed heading into Japan for December as his goal was just a fast marathon.
  • Bryan Onstad
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    bryano
    @ERL_19
    I agree with Oldster (ouch that hurt!). The marathon is a crapshoot. Any or none of these three could be top Canadian, but the best money has to be on Reid (he has the best speed reserve) Just Kidding!
  • Steve Boyd
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    eighthundred
    @oldster

    Fair enough, there is 26.2 miles to make mistakes. If that is what Dylan is expecting to happen does that mean he will race conservatively to try to make standard and let Reid and Eric go?

    Another thing I was wondering about is if Wesley Korir is eligible for London Olympics, since he is married to a Canadian or does he have to wait 6 years? not too sure how citizenship works


    @eighthundred You'd have to ask him or coach Lee about this one; but, even then, I don't know if they'd tell you! Dylan has always been a very confident and aggressive racer, however, so no matter what his plan going in, expect him to rise to whatever challenge materializes. For better or worse, I have never seen him show fear of any kind. When he is fit and ready, he almost always delivers (e.g. he has never run a "bad" marathon). Then again, neither have Eric or Reid, so it should be very interesting!
  • User
    run1928
    $41,000 if any of them can top 2:10:09, quite the pay day for Canadian runner, hopefully we can see it happen.
  • E.R. Labelle
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    ERL_19 Edited
    www.torontowaterfrontmarathon.com/en/awards-elite.....

    while it may not have been talked about on here, Kip Kangogo has definately gone under the radar as another canadian resident running this marathon (unless I'm mistaking about the radar). if Gillis is not going for the record, at least there is someone that can work with Coolseat to help him get the record.

    in other news, why are there 8 pacers on the mens side?







    hopefully conditions can turn around for sunday morning
    www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/caon0696?ref=top....
    winds are supposed to be going at 32km/h at the start and expected to pick up gradually during the race
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    peteq2
    So, Coolsaet and Gillis both make standard, followed by Wykes, Loiselle and Chiasson. Drayton's record still stands. Anyone know how bad the wind was?

    1 KENNETH MUNGARA KEN 1 2:09:51 2:09:49 09:00:02 M35-39 1 1 30:14 1:03:56 1:31:36 1:47:06 2:03:02
    2 SHAMI ABDULAHI DAWIT ETH 6 2:09:51 2:09:51 09:00:00 M25-29 1 2 30:16 1:03:57 1:31:38 1:47:08 2:03:05
    3 REID COOLSAET CAN 9 2:10:55 2:10:55 09:00:00 M30-34 1 3 30:16 1:03:58 1:31:38 1:47:08 2:03:38
    4 ERIC GILLIS CAN 10 2:11:28 2:11:28 09:00:00 M30-34 2 4 30:50 1:04:53 1:32:33 1:48:02 2:04:27
    5 TADESSE ABRAHAM ERI 4 2:12:48 2:12:48 09:00:00 M25-29 2 5 30:16 1:03:58 1:31:39 1:47:42 2:05:12
    6 DYLAN WYKES CAN 11 2:12:57 2:12:57 09:00:00 M25-29 3 6 30:50 1:04:53 1:32:33 1:48:08 2:05:25
    7 BELLOR YATOR QAT 5 2:15:33 2:15:33 09:00:00 M25-29 4 7 30:43 1:04:40 1:32:43 1:49:16 2:07:21
    8 MATT LOISELLE CAN 14 2:16:01 2:16:00 09:00:02 M25-29 5 8 31:25 1:06:00 1:34:13 1:50:28 2:08:16
    9 REJEAN CHIASSON CAN 15 2:17:48 2:17:47 09:00:01 M25-29 6 9 32:32 1:07:54 1:36:44 1:53:02 2:10:22
    10 JOSEPHAT ONGERI HAMILTON CAN 115 2:19:48 2:19:48 09:00:00 M30-34 3 10 31:08 1:06:40 1:36:13 1:53:15 2:12:05
    11 KIP KANGOGO CAN 12 2:20:45 2:20:45 09:00:01 M30-34 4 11 30:49 1:04:52 1:33:39 1:51:02 2:11:55
    12 BRANDON LAAN CAN 18 2:21:38 2:21:38 09:00:00 M25-29 7 12 32:33 1:08:39 1:38:33 1:55:19 2:13:30
    13 KOREN YAL ETH 71 2:22:43 2:22:41 09:00:03 W25-29 1 1 32:31 1:08:36 1:38:31 1:55:12 2:14:09
    14 MICHAEL GREEN ENG 20 2:22:55 2:22:55 09:00:00 M35-39 2 13 34:12 1:11:32 1:40:33 1:57:06 2:15:17
    15 MARE DIBABA ETH 72 2:23:25 2:23:24 09:00:02 W18-24 1 2 32:31 1:08:37 1:38:31 1:55:33 2:15:17
    16 DYLAN GANT CAN 24 2:25:32 2:25:30 09:00:02 M25-29 8 14 34:10 1:12:10 1:42:30 1:59:22 2:17:25
    17 SILVIA SKVORTSOVA RUS 74 2:27:51 2:27:51 09:00:00 W35-39 1 3 34:55 1:13:02 1:43:41 2:01:12 2:19:45
    18 CHRISTIAN MERCIER CAN 26 2:28:33 2:28:31 09:00:02 M35-39 3 15 33:32 1:10:34 1:41:07 1:59:06 2:19:26
    19 DIANA CHEPKEMOI KEN 73 2:28:56 2:28:55 09:00:01 W18-24 2 4 33:33 1:10:52 1:42:09 2:00:26 2:20:05
    20 PAUL MOLYNEAUX ENG 22 2:29:30 2:29:28 09:00:02 M30-34 5 16 34:11 1:11:31 1:42:22 2:00:33 2:20:26
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    peteq2 Edited
    I know the main story here is the top guys, Coolsaet, Gillis and Wykes, but I think #5, Chiasson deserves an honourable mention. This (2:17:48) is a pretty solid debut, and it looks like he ran it pretty much alone. Also, he was the only Canadian (and one of only two runners) in the top 20 to manage slight negative splits, which means he ran a really smart race.

    This is a guy whose 10k best (if memory serves) hovers right around 30-flat, so he's the epitome of the "more-ST" guy, naturally suited to longer distances, with good training. Almost NOBODY runs a good debut equivalent to their shorter PBs, let alone BETTER and with negative splits. Toronto and the Brooks group must be agreeing with him. Nice job!

    I'll bet Rejean is running with the top guys at this distance within a year or two, given some time to go back and do some funamental work on getting "faster."
  • Steve Boyd
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    oldster
    peteq2
    I know the main story here is the top guys, Coolsaet, Gillis and Wykes, but I think #5, Chiasson deserves an honourable mention. This (2:17:48) is a pretty solid debut, and it looks like he ran it pretty much alone. Also, he was the only Canadian (and one of only two runners) in the top 20 to manage slight negative splits, which means he ran a really smart race.

    This is a guy whose 10k best (if memory serves) hovers right around 30-flat, so he's the epitome of the "more-ST" guy, naturally suited to longer distances, with good training. Almost NOBODY runs a good debut equivalent to their shorter PBs, let alone BETTER and with negative splits. Toronto and the Brooks group must be agreeing with him. Nice job!

    I'll bet Rejean is running with the top guys at this distance within a year or two, given some time to go back and do some funamental work on getting "faster."


    @peteq2 Couldn't agree more about R.C. This is huge, and goes to show what you can do if you're willing to pour your heart into to it. RC is a pure 70/80s guy-- someone with decent 5k/10k performances who's willing to train like a real marathoner (and, yes, he's a pure ST guy if I've ever seen one). I'm privileged enough to know his whole story, and it would humble some of the guys he's beating to hear it. Couldn't be prouder, man. And there's more to come for sure.

    P.S. Yeah, he was completely alone every time we saw him. Giant balls? Oh, I think so.
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    oldlegs
    After running today, I can only think that the times all these guys put in were remarkable based on the conditions. The temps wee perfect, but seriously the wind was brutal. I got caught from 5k to 13k with no one around me and that was simply awful in the wind....I suppose the pacers for the top guys ate some of the wind on the way out, but the last 8 km to the finish must have been nasty as the packs broke up. I am wondering how much people think the wind was worth? I would guess 1-2 minutes for the top guys. If this is true, really it would not be surprising to see Dylan Wykes make standard on a good day....and Reid bust 2:10 with flying colours, Gillis in the low 2:10s....great run by Chiasson and Loiselle-- really impressed!
  • E.R. Labelle
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    @oldlegs

    if its true that Chiasson has never convincingly broken 30, he's going sub-29 if he decides to take another stint at 10k training with this base in him. very solid debut he ran today.

    I was impressed by how this race layed out for the canadians. Gillis ran very well and so did Reid. the winds were just brutual out there and it looked as if Reid stumbled because of Diwit at one of the water stations (after that, Coolsaet was running 3:15-3:20 pace). this record is finally vulnerable and July conditions in London are a lot more ideal than in past locations for the previous majors if the pace is to be fast.

    regardless if Wykes gets the A, this was very much like the canadian olympic trials and if Bairu beats Coolsaets mark, I do not see AC selecting him for the olympics.
  • Bryan Onstad
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    bryano
    Pretty solid runs if the wind was as bad as you guys say. The other thing I'm noticing is that these three (Reid, Dylan and Eric) have very few bad races. Their consistency is impressive in a race where it is tough to be consistent.

    It is interesting where I read Drayton in an article saying that he still thinks these guys aren't running high enough mileage yet. I wonder now that Coolsaet has standard if he and Dave might take a chance and decide to push a little bit higher mileage this winter leading up to London.
  • E.R. Labelle
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    @bryano

    about Drayton and his mileage, I was looking up his training details and he would be logging in his 170-190 mile weeks way out of when his goal marathon actually is (at least 14 weeks before would be his last 190 mile week where as Coolsaet was running his higher mileage weeks within 10 weeks of the goal marathon). he would be doing his heavy mileage way out of the marathon so that he could develop his strength without it affecting his performance when it actually mattered.